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<p><SPAN class="panel-title"> Alternative Lifestyles and Sci-Fi/Fantasy -- BayCon 2012 </SPAN> <SPAN class="dateline"> 27.05.2012 16.00h </SPAN></p>
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Alternative Lifesytles
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Bibliography
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Sexuality
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Gender
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From Heinlein's line marriage to Ethan of Athos, a discussion of alternative lifestyles, chosen or otherwise.
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<li>Lon Sarver</li>
<li>D.M. Atkins</li>
<li>Jaym Gates</li>
<li>Ian Grey</li>
<li>Chaz Brenchley</li>
<li>Brad Nelson</li>
<li>Kyle Aisteach
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<h3 id="bibliography">Bibliography</h3>
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<li><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Ethan-Athos-Lois-McMaster-Bujold/dp/067165604X">Bujold, Lois McMaster. Ethan of Athoas</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Octavia-E.-Butler/e/B000AQ1SQE">Octavia Butler</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Joanna-Russ/e/B000APBN92">Joanna Russ</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Geoff-Ryman/e/B000AQ1REW">Rhyman, Geoff</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.amazon.com/The-Gods-Themselves-Isaac-Asimov/dp/0553288105">Asimov, Isaac. The Gods Themselves</a></li>
<li><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Ringo">Ringo, John</a> Some books deal with BDSM but he's very conservative.</li>
<li><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Gender-And-Transgender-Modern-Paganism/dp/1105433781">Pond, Gina, et al. Gender And Transgender In Modern Paganism</a></li>
<li><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saladin_Ahmed">Ahmed, Saladin</a> Arab-American SF writer</li>
<li><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Shadow-Man-Melissa-Scott/dp/0312858000">Scott, Melssia. Shadowman</a> Different types of intersexed creatures play a tangential role. Good stories.</li>
<li><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Culture">Banks, Iain. The Culture</a> Anarchist, social, utopian culture</li>
<li><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Biting-Sun-Tanith-Lee/dp/0553581309">Lee, Tanith. Biting The Sun</a></li>
<li><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S._M._Stirling">Stirling, S.M.</a> does a good job integranting alterative lifestyles into the backgound.</li>
<li><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Promethea-Book-1-Alan-Moore/dp/1563896672">Moore, Alan. Promethia</a> &quot;Comic&quot; book.</li>
<li><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Invisibles">Morrison, Grant. The Ivisibles</a> &quot;Comic&quot; book.</li>
<li><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacqueline_Carey">Carey, Jacqueline. Terre D'Ange</a> Story of a courtesan in a fantasy world. Also see her other works.</li>
<li><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Mark-Charan-Newton/e/B0035NEBA4/">Newton, Mark Charan. The Dying Earth</a> (Author page on Amazon)</li>
<li><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Jos%C3%A9_Farmer">Farmer, Phillip Jose. Tarzan Books &amp; Doc Savage</a>(Author on Wikipedia)</li>
<li><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Different-Light-Elizabeth-A-Lynn/dp/0441007902/">Lynn, Elizabeth. A Different Light</a>An SF romance where it is normal/OK to be gay.</li>
<li><a href="http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/12979880-rotten-row">Brenchley, Chaz. Rotten Row</a> Bodies can be shaped at shed at will.</li>
<li><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Callahan&#39;s_Crosstime_Saloon">Robinson, Spider. Callahan's Bar</a> postive alternate anything</li>
<li><a href="http://www.strangehorizons.com/">Strange Horizons</a> free, oline zine. Several alterate lifestyle stories.</li>
<li><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Ursula-K.-Le-Guin/e/B000AQ2M2S">LeGuin, Ursula K.</a> All her works.</li>
<li><a href="http://www.amazon.com/The-Man-Who-Folded-Himself/dp/1932100040">Gerrold, David. The Man Who Folded Himself</a> And other works by Gerrold.</li>
<li><a href="http://www.amazon.com/2010-Odyssey-Arthur-C-Clarke/dp/0345303067">Clarke, Arthur C. 2010</a> Also <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Songs-Distant-Earth-Arthur-Clarke/dp/0345322401/">Songs of Distant Earth</a></li>
<li><a href="">Varley, John. Tidal Lands</a> cannot find
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<h3 id="notes">Notes</h3>
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<p>Heinlein would bring up an idea and throw it out. &quot;You'll be OK.&quot;</p>
<p>What's the state of the art in &quot;alternative lifestyles&quot;? Many authors are bigoted but have a revelation and become more open, and even vice-versa.</p>
<p>&quot;There's the work in enjoy, and then there's the write behind it.&quot;</p>
<p>The genres are all bleeding over, one into another. &quot;MM&quot; (gay romance) is the biggest section of gay fiction. Fantasy romance of gay people is being accepted as reality opposite gender looks for something different than males looking at male/male or females looking at female/female.</p>
<p><em>No one</em> is presented realistically in romance.</p>
<p>Who is the market, and what are they looking for?</p>
<p>&quot;Story Codes&quot; are not warning labels. The must be stripped for Amazon, as anything labelled as explicit will get dropped.</p>
<p>Torchwood -- fairly mainstream -- has a breakthrough bisexual character who isn't a villain (especially a sleazy, unethical or useless villain)</p>
<p>Even with alternative lifestyle communities, there are prejudices -- lesbians villify bi females.</p>
<p>In fiction, some kinks are only had by villains.</p>
<p>How do you define a community on sexuality? Where are the boundaries? Boundary policing is for protection of the community.</p>
<p>SF has a wider &quot;playing field&quot; than outside. Generational revolutions in SF -- younger generations take lessons to a new degree.</p>
<p>Mainstream press lags behind the small press.</p>
<p>&quot;The more people throw rocks at you, the more transgressive you are.&quot;</p>
<p>There's a new push to get other than white males as SF writers (the 'marked state')</p>
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